Traveller-digest      Wednesday, July 28 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 904



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: Real world question 
Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted!
Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted! 
Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted! 
Re: Real world question 
Re: Real world question 
Re: Real world question 
Re: Leroy
Re: Real world question 
Re: Imperial Code of Law (Long)
Re: Republishing CT materials
RE: Stoning
RE: Galactic Coordinates
Re: Word copies of MT manuals
Re: Nature of Jump Space (2D won't work)
From the 2300AD List!!
Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted!
RE: On the nature of Jump Space
Re: TAS Alien Encyclopedia
re: Word versions of MT: done
Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted! 
Re: Galactic Coordinates
Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted! 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:44:55 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: Real world question 

> >These people believe that JFK Jr. was killed by a blackhole flung out from
> >brookhaven National Labs on Hillary Clinton's orders.
>  
> I concede your point, stop talking and start looking nervously about me for
> a handy weapon. These people are *real*?
>  
> Of course, I work for the government (I have a badge and a black tie and
> everything), so I'm probably just part of the Big Establishment Conspiracy.

Yer 'ink pen' wouldn't happen to have a nifty red flash on it, would it?

Keven

- -- 
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure
                                                     In Reavers' Deep

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:47:35 -0500
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net>
Subject: Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted!

Me too, please
Thomas VIckers


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David Crockett

- -----Original Message-----
From: Nick Bradbeer <nickb@ndirect.co.uk>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Cc: efritz@glja.com <efritz@glja.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted!


>
>
>>>Okay, I received the message below just now from Marc.
>>>
>>>I'm only allowed to give away 10 copies of the document. I'm making a
list
>>of
>>>requests, starting now. I have Volker Greimann on the list. If there are
>>any
>>>other people who want copies, send me your email address.
>
>
>
>I'd like to ask you for a copy, if there are still places left.
>
>Nick
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:50:20 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted! 

> Me too, please
> Thomas VIckers

*ME*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keven

- -- 
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure
                                                     In Reavers' Deep

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:36:13 +0100
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted! 

>> Me too, please
>> Thomas VIckers
>
>*ME*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think we're all too late. Oh well.

NB

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:38:00 +0100
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Real world question 

>Yer 'ink pen' wouldn't happen to have a nifty red flash on it, would it?


No. Of course not. Don't be silly. Such things are the work of deranged
minds.
Hey, while I remember - you gotta see my new swiss army knife, man. Here,
look at this bit, right on the end....

NB

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:31:12 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: Real world question 

> >Yer 'ink pen' wouldn't happen to have a nifty red flash on it, would it?
> 
> 
> No. Of course not. Don't be silly. Such things are the work of deranged
> minds.
> Hey, while I remember - you gotta see my new swiss army knife, man. Here,
> look at this bit, right on the end....

Naw.  YOU look at it.  Here, lemme hold your sunglasses...

Keven

- -- 
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure
                                                     In Reavers' Deep

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:45:55 +0100
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Real world question 

>Naw.  YOU look at it.  Here, lemme hold your sunglasses...


Don't mention sunglasses. I bought a new pair at the weekend - Randolph
Aviators, and I *already* scratched them.

NB
- --
Meaningless drivel?
We can do that.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:09:38 +0100
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: Leroy

Volker Greimann <volker@greimann.de> writes:

>>  Yeah, but if Leroy were still on the list...  :)
>He said the name, he said the name...
>...stone him!!!

With a metrc pound? or a near C rock... <g,d,r>

Dom

- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------
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Raised from the dead by a beating heart and at last I can
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:42:59 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: Real world question 

> >Naw.  YOU look at it.  Here, lemme hold your sunglasses...
> 
> 
> Don't mention sunglasses. I bought a new pair at the weekend - Randolph
> Aviators, and I *already* scratched them.

That hadda suck.  The red light get through 'em now??

Keven

- -- 
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure
                                                     In Reavers' Deep

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:07:09 EDT
From: RASFranzen@aol.com
Subject: Re: Imperial Code of Law (Long)

Dear Glenn,
you wrote:

<<  My view is that Imperial laws after Arbellatra's reign are as minimal as
 > they can be for a huge star-spanning empire.  The Imperium tries not to
 [deletion] 
 > Another factor that you should consider in drafting this monumental work
 > is that the Imperium is 1100+ years old, and that that is laid over
 > 10,000 years of Vilani legal history.  A lot of change and development
 > will have occurred in those time frames, so the legal system will be
 > extremely complex.  
  >>

It may be, that there was some misunderstanding, due to the fact, that I 
considered your mentioning the Vilani Legal Tradition as dealing with the 
corpus of laws applicable within the empire, while you seem to consider the 
Vilani tradition as part of the corpus of laws of the Imperium proper.

Actually I would think, that the fall of the Vilani Imperium, the Long Night 
and later the rebuilding by an obviously more Solomani influenced Sylea must 
have removed the remnants of Vilani Law from the Imperiums books but would 
also definitely have preserved its institutions on Vilani Worlds.

Thus we should definitely some interesting but unexpected legal customs on 
some worlds, maybe even balkanization of laws like in the U.S., where 
supposedly Louisiana is still Code Napoleon or Germany before 1900, when a 
mixture of corpus iuris/Pandect law a.k.a gemeines Recht ( strangely 
translates as Common Law) and germanic regulations e. g. Sachsenspiegel was 
in existance in the different territories ( some fairly small).

But I think, imperial law will be complex enough even without introducing too 
much Vilani stuff into the laws of the Imperium itself.

One wonders btw, whether there would have been legal institutions as we know 
them in the Vilani Imperium or whether there would have been a strong 
influence of forced mediation/arbitration in their society.

best wishes
Soenke Franzen

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:41:16 +0200
From: Volker Greimann <volker@greimann.de>
Subject: Re: Republishing CT materials

At 05:26 28.07.99 -0700, you wrote:
>from: AveNelso@aol.com <AveNelso@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Republishing CT materials
>
>
>> Look on the bright side, he could have said Cliff
>
>
>    Yes, he could have.  May Cliff rest in pieces.

I presume you mean Clif?
Volker
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:03:48 -0400
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca>
Subject: RE: Stoning

AveNelso writes:
><< 
> >  Yeah, but if Leroy were still on the list...  :)
> He said the name, he said the name...
> ...stone him!!!
> Volker >>
>	Look on the bright side, he could have said Cliff

	No one wil stone anyone, even if, and I want to make this
	perfectly clear, even if they say Cliff...argh (thump,
	wham, thot...)

Peez

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:08:18 -0400
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca>
Subject: RE: Galactic Coordinates

Peez writes:
>Is there a canon reference for this? IIRC Traveller maps have
>Spinward to the right and Coreward to the top, and this implies 
>to me that the observer is South of the map.

	What are you, brain dead? Spinward is to the left on those
	maps, which implies that the observer is South of the map.
	Get with it, Peez!

Peez

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:46:43 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Word copies of MT manuals

In mail you write:

> As far as my understanding of copyright as long as you give credit where 
> credit is due and do not charge for the copies, or make any other commercial 
> gain your not violating the law.

Check out the "Copyright myths" FAQ.

Not charging is apt to get you into *bigger* trouble. The violation is
the "making of unauthorized copies". Giving them away makes it easier
for the copyright holder to argue that you've damaged the market for
his work (why *buy* something you can get for free?). This makes
punitive damages ($10-$1000 *or more* PER COPY!) more likely.

You can make copies for your own use (say to keep from getting junk
food stains on the original). But you cannot sell *or* give away those
copies unless you transfer the *original* at the same time. Likewise,
if you sell or give away the original, you must either send the
copies with it, or destroy them.

So you can *legally* copy songs off *your* CDs to a tape to play in
your car or your walkman. But if you get rid of a CD, you have to get
rid any copies you made of materials on it. 

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:57:09 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Nature of Jump Space (2D won't work)

In mail you write:

> I have only been following this thread off and on, but a discussion
> today at work got me interested.  I talked with the staff
> mathmatician at work regarding a related subject.  We were talking
> about the movie, Cube, which was on sci fi.  They supposed a three
> coordinate system, could not only describe your position in 3d space,
> but also the position in time.

The co-ordinate numbers were *way* too small. I had to laugh at the
girl complaining that the numbers (3 digits!) were "too big to factor
in her head". 

Sorry, but the biggest prime factor *possible* is 31 (sqrt(99)). It's a
*pain* check for that sort of thing, but given her memory it's not that
hard. The primes involved are 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31.
2, 3 & 5 are *easy* to check for. Even numbers have two as a factor.
Numbers that end in 0 or 5 have 5 as a factor. Numbers whose digits add
up to a multiple of 3 (or something like that, I'd have to run a quick
check) have three as a factor. I think there's a simple test for
divisibility by 11 as well. It's the sort of thing she'd have known. 

> He argued that if you go from a higher dimension to a lower dimension
> you will lose one reference.  You will not be able to get back to the
> higher dimension.

Well, it's possible to map 3d to 1d, through some convolutions with the
*digital* representation of the co-ordinates. But you lose adjacentcy.
That is, points that are close in s-space aren't close in the line.

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:41:26 -0400
From: Kurt Feltenberger <kurt@blazenet.net>
Subject: From the 2300AD List!!

With the talk of republishing the LBBs, it was odd that this showed up on
the 2300AD list and not the TML...

Kurt



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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:54:19 -0400
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com>
Subject: Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted!

Put me on your list.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:13:29 -0600
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net>
Subject: RE: On the nature of Jump Space

At 10:20 AM 7/28/99 +0100, you wrote:
>At 22:40 27/07/1999 -0600, "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net>
wrote:
>>At 09:07 PM 7/27/99 -0600, I wrote:
>>>At 02:16 PM 7/26/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>>>So to get a given number of significant figures in your position
>>>(say n),
>>>>you would need an n digit number for your x coord and a 2n digit
>>>number
>>>>for your y coord.
>>>
>>>	Sorry, I'm not sure I can buy that one, as it depends solely on
the
>>>representation of the number and not the "number" itself ... it's
>>got
>>>to be the same regardless of the numbering system you use, as
Hiver
>>>ships don't jump differently than human ones.
>>
>>	OK, I changed my mind. More specifically, Richard Hough explained
it
>>in terms that make sense to me. So now that *that* minor stumbling
>>block is out of the way, I'm warming to the idea of jumpspace being
>>2D, and hence the 2D maps. 
>
>Don't change too quickly.
>
>Whilst it is mathematically possible to have a 1:1 mapping between a
2D
>and a 3D space, jumpspace clearly isn't 2D - try walking around a
ship
>with multiple decks.

	This is where I pull out the handwave of the jump field maintaining
a "realspace" bubble within "jumpspace"--hence there's a 3D "raisin"
embedded in the 2D "muffin" of jumpspace ...

	The entire bubble actually maps to a single point in jumpspace. It
has to, given that jumpspace isn't topologically equivalent to
realspace. Since points close to each other in realspace don't
necessarily map to points close to each other in jumpspace, and vice
versa, two points side-by-side in jspace could come out parsecs, or
even megaparsecs, apart in realspace. Bummer if point A is part of my
head and point B is part of my body ...
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:53:46 +0100
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: TAS Alien Encyclopedia

Steve Daniels <stevedaniels@portcaddo.com> writes:
>I got a wonderfully preserved copy of this directly from Mr. Miller last year.
>
>#107 of 200.  Autographed by Mr. Miller.
>
>:-)

#18 of 200

Pleased to meet you ;-)

Dom

PS Does this make me assimilated?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:56:20 +0100
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com>
Subject: re: Word versions of MT: done

Erwin Fritz <efritz@GLJA.com> writes:

>I now have the ten people that I'm allowed to send the files to. Those people
>have been told that they're on my list.

For those of you desparate to get MT I seem to recall that Marc had some
new copies available at $10 a book last year. Have a look at his website
(linked off the jumpsite page on http://www.bits.org.uk/) and he may have
it listed as still available.

Dom

- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------
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Raised from the dead by a beating heart and at last I can
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:19:52 -0600
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net>
Subject: Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted! 

At 08:36 PM 7/28/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>> Me too, please
>>> Thomas VIckers
>>
>>*ME*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>I think we're all too late. Oh well.

	Not fair, all these creeps who abuse their work internet access to
get the jump on the rest of us!
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:28:19 -0700
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com>
Subject: Re: Galactic Coordinates

> Peez writes:
>>Is there a canon reference for this? IIRC Traveller maps have
>>Spinward to the right and Coreward to the top, and this implies
>>to me that the observer is South of the map.
>
>  What are you, brain dead? Spinward is to the left on those
>  maps, which implies that the observer is South of the map.
>  Get with it, Peez!
>
> Peez
>
Hee hee, I think the direction in question is *out* from the paper, as in
above it when the map is flat on a table. Perpendicular to the paper. That
is the correct word, right?

BZA
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:33:11 -0700
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com>
Subject: Re: Word versions of MT: permission granted! 

> At 08:36 PM 7/28/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>>> Me too, please
>>>> Thomas VIckers
>>>
>>>*ME*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>I think we're all too late. Oh well.
>
>  Not fair, all these creeps who abuse their work internet access to
> get the jump on the rest of us!
> -- ------------------------------------------------------------ --

YOU think it's unfair, I was number 11. That's eleven. As in one off. :P
Pooh.
BZA
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